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Denny ([personal profile] denny) wrote2007-09-03 10:06 pm

So today is my birthday...

...but not a particularly happy one.

Don't get me wrong, there's been plenty of happy moments. I've had nice presents (a huge thank you to many of my friends, and to my wonderful girlfriend). I've been shopping and spent a large sum of money on books, which is always good. I started the day in bed with Helen and have returned to it once or twice since ;) I've even been offered a threesome at some point this week, amusingly with both of the other participants independently asking me within an hour of each other if I would like to try to set something up with the other person :) There has been a lot of Good Stuff today.

Still, I'm sad; that's my baseline state, and when there's nothing actively happening to cheer me up, I return to it.

I've been putting off writing any detail in my journal lately about what's going on in my life, which has tended to make the personal entries a bit cryptic and emo over the last month. I really don't like doing that - this is my journal, and if my head is a mess then this is exactly where I should be trying to write it all down and work it all out. However. Although this is my journal, and I should be able to write whatever I like about my personal life... there's the tricky issue of how much it's polite to write about other people's personal lives. When the other people are so completely integral to what's happening to your life, it can be impossible to write about the mess inside your own head without talking about their personal lives too.

I've decided over the last few days that I'm going to have to write about what's been happening lately, despite other people being heavily involved, because it's just been too important to me to leave it as a few cryptic posts and a succession of downbeat mood settings.

I'm going to give people made-up names to give some vague hint of politeness to the whole thing of discussing their personal lives, but they're going to be fairly obvious made-up names if you know the people involved. I'm sure all our mutual friends already know 3/4 of what's gone on anyway, and maybe it'll make a bit more sense if they have the other 1/4 to finish the picture. The rest of you can just read it for entertainment value, or because you care about the things that shape my life, or out of intense boredom :)



Earlier this year I met a girl. We'll call her Katy, or K. The first time I met her I don't actually remember very well - the main memory I took away (from a meeting with an extremely attractive girl) was that she had a tattoo a bit like one of mine. I can only claim that the loud music in the nightclub we met in must have addled my brains considerably. *cough* (The second time I met her I was considerably more alert, and therefore rambled incoherently at her for a bit, which is one of my default reactions to meeting attractive girls.)

Anyway, this girl is part of the social scene which revolves around Planet Angel, a group which I've found a lot of really good friends in over the last year or so. So I've been seeing her around quite a bit at various clubs, after-parties, etc.

It turns out that this girl and her long-term bf, let's call him Matthew (or M) had decided to dip their toes in the scary waters of poly. When K ended up in bed with my girlfriend, I thought it might be a good time to express my own interest. This all worked out rather nicely over the next few weeks, with some time spent hugging and kissing at various parties, and then a wonderfully snuggly and happy night and morning when K stayed at my place.

Unfortunately, that night we did do something we weren't meant to do; we shagged, going against a very explicit request from M that we didn't do so. Understandably he was pretty upset about that. The next six weeks were a bit hellish, as both me and K had realised that in fact we'd fallen for each other, and now we weren't allowed to be alone together because M was so upset about us breaching his trust.

M turned out to be a far nicer guy than I really deserved at that point. He kept in touch with me by email, and we discussed the issues surrounding the emotional mess we were all in extensively. In the end, he decided to allow me and K to start seeing each other again.

By this point though, K was incredibly busy working on a hobby project that was eating up all her free time, so although we were allowed to see each other, it was a bit theoretical for the moment. Still, a great relief compared to thinking I was never going to see her properly again a few weeks before that! We spent a lot of time every day hugging and kissing via the rather unsatisfactory mediums of text messages, emails, and Facebook applications. Better than nothing, and it did at least let us each know the other person was still crazy about them, even if time and distance was not making that easy to show just now :)

K and me also got fairly snuggly again in a few snatched moments at parties and other random evenings with friends, and M and me spent considerable time talking our way back to a point where he was going to trust me to the same extent that he had done once before, and be willing to let K stay with me again. We'd finally got there, and we'd also started discussing the possibility of me asking K out officially (remember that bit, it's relevant to the original question), when the unexpected occurred.

K totally lost interest in me. One day, dozens of text messages and Facebook hugs and kisses a day, the next day I'm being completely blanked at a very small party (when there are only four people in the room, it's hard not to notice one of them avoiding your company). This would have been quite heavily confusing, if it were not for the fact that the reason seemed fairly obvious... she was wrapped around another guy. Let's call him Steve, or S. This development just made it incredibly upsetting instead of confusing, of course. Hell, I'm poly, she's poly... she didn't need to dump me to take up with someone else, and certainly not that abruptly... so what had I done that was so incredibly off-putting that I'd been dropped at such a ferocious speed?

Okay, so it was still fairly confusing. Still is fairly confusing actually, because for the next few weeks, she didn't talk to me. Minimal polite replies to text messages and emails, no friendly online interactions, basically I was being blanked. As you can imagine, this level of rejection did not settle my mind particularly. Welcome to my emo LJ.

I finally got to speak to her last week, and she sort of explained what had gone on from her point of view. Apparently I did something to piss her off a bit on the Saturday morning that weekend (she has a fair point here, I did do something rather thoughtless), and so she spent a good chunk of Saturday ignoring me because she was pissed off. Now, here's where it gets trickier... after that, she apparently kept ignoring me because I was upset by her ignoring me, and (a) she finds me much less attractive when I'm not happy, and (b) she felt bad that she was the reason I wasn't happy.

If you think this is an insanely minor (and worryingly self-referential/recursive) reason for what seemed like a really nice relationship-to-be to turn into a screeching trainwreck in less than 24 hours, then you'd not be alone. Like I said, I'm still confused. And sad. And strongly inclined to think that developments with S coming along at just the exact time and day that K was going off of me might have rather more to do with it than she's realised, or at least more than she's admitting to me.

So, there's the reason I've been sad the last few weeks - but why today particularly? At least she's talking to me again now, and there even seems some chance that we can retrieve the friendship we had before things got messy.

Well. As mentioned earlier, I was going to ask K out officially, ask her if she'd like to be my girlfriend. I started discussing the details with M a month ago, just before things all went horribly wrong, and it quickly became obvious that the timeframe we were looking at for resolving our discussions would very probably mean that a really cool time for me to do the asking would be on my birthday - something of an amazingly nice birthday present to myself, if you like. This would have been fairly easy to do, as K had taken my birthday week off work so that she could spend some of it with me, including my birthday.

Instead, today/tonight she's in bed with S, and I'm spending the day trying not to think about what I had planned for today just a few short weeks ago.

So yeah... I didn't quite get what I wanted for my birthday this year.



That slightly pathetic tale said and done... Helen has just got out of the bath, and we're going back to bed again now. To read our new books. Honest.

It's not all bad, this birthday. It's had its moments.


Just not that moment.

[identity profile] easternpromise.livejournal.com 2007-09-03 09:11 pm (UTC)(link)
Erg, that sucks. Hope you manage to get it worked out in the end.

*huggysquish* Happy birthday, for what it's worth. :)

[identity profile] msdemmie.livejournal.com 2007-09-03 09:25 pm (UTC)(link)
That explains a lot ......... that is some tough shit to deal with.

My gran always used to say concentrate on what you have - not on what you have not ..........

Hope you enjoy the rest of your birthday

[identity profile] swiftangel.livejournal.com 2007-09-03 09:34 pm (UTC)(link)
Happy birthday, what's left of it... glad it hasn't been all that bad. :) *hugs*

[identity profile] tephramancy.livejournal.com 2007-09-03 09:48 pm (UTC)(link)
Meh. People are way too complicated and wierd sometimes. I'm really sorry if I haven't been much of a friend to you recently. I knew something was up, but I have about enough emotional capacity for one right now, and I suck at even that. However, if you need a friend, someone who is fairly disconnected from all this stuff, I give good hugs, and... and that's about the size of it, really.

*hug*

[identity profile] glamwhorebunni.livejournal.com 2007-09-03 11:49 pm (UTC)(link)
I'd pieced together bits of this, but hadn't heard all of it and hadn't really understood what had happened. Still don't really understand, but I've never really been very good at comprehending either girls or poly...

But lots and lots of hugs, and sorry I've been entirely shut in my room for the past month so missed all this. You're supergorgeous, and deserve a neverending shower of exciting beautiful people dropping into your bed.

Hope your birthday Helen was fun ;)

[identity profile] kotenok.livejournal.com 2007-09-04 06:04 am (UTC)(link)
You know you have my support in any way you need it, and many *many* hugs on top of that.



Also, threesome? You lucky bugger! ;p

[identity profile] fayroberts.livejournal.com 2007-09-04 07:25 am (UTC)(link)
Ack. Girls...

Sorry - that probably seemed quite dismissive, but it comes to a point where I say: that sounds horrible, and must have been intensely confusing and upsetting (especially if you felt you couldn't talk about it with people).

However: you deserve to be with less messed-up, more comfortable-with-themselves people.

{nods} It's true.

And thank you so much for letting us know - I know I was getting quite worried, but didn't know how to frame a question...

Anyway, on a happier note - hope you enjoyed your {ahem} book.

[identity profile] indusbitch.livejournal.com 2007-09-04 07:42 am (UTC)(link)
Aw babe, I've been wondering why the unhappy faces but been a bit caught up in my own mess to ask about it. If you want chats & cuddles I'd be more than happy to offer them, though I am a bit doom & gloom myself at the minute.

[identity profile] dennyd.livejournal.com 2007-09-04 09:48 am (UTC)(link)
Mutual cuddling is always a good option :)

[identity profile] indusbitch.livejournal.com 2007-09-04 01:49 pm (UTC)(link)
:) just let me know when & you're welcome to come over - I'm not much good at going anywhere at the moment, working from home cos my brain went on the fritz
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[identity profile] pooloftrees.livejournal.com 2007-09-04 08:23 am (UTC)(link)
I was wondering what was up from your other posts, but didn't want to ask for details as at that point you evidently weren't ready to give them.

I'm sorry things have been so messy. I know from what my ex did that when you don't have any answer to "Why?" it can really screw your head around, and make you feel like a motorway pileup... :-(

Still, I'd like to wish you a happy birthday, even if things aren't as you'd hoped, and point out that today isn't going to rain, in fact you might get full on sun in the afternoon (http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/24hr.shtml?world=0008)... Maybe you should make birthday + 1/3 a regular thing?

Take care.

G

[identity profile] denari.livejournal.com 2007-09-04 09:23 am (UTC)(link)
2007 has been a bit of a rollercoaster for most people. The only thing you can do about it is try to make the next one better. I can only offer hugs, the fact that despite this, there are lots of people who love you and my motto, Nil Desperandum.

*HUGS*

[identity profile] dennyd.livejournal.com 2007-09-04 09:48 am (UTC)(link)
*hug*

[identity profile] libellum.livejournal.com 2007-09-04 10:03 am (UTC)(link)
*all the hugs*

[identity profile] ninneviane.livejournal.com 2007-09-04 12:13 pm (UTC)(link)
Firstly - happy belated birthday wishes. I hope in spite of everything you enjoyed it :)

Secondly - I hope everything works out in this situation. I wasn't going to write the following, because it's not like you asked for anyone's opinion but I wouldn't feel right if I didn't say it...

I'm always saddened by how easily events run away with themselves when people 'sulk' (you called it 'ignored') rather than just spit it out when there's a problem. Sulk, isn't a nice word I know and most people don't like it especially when it pertains to themselves, but really - when someone just withdraws over an upset, in this fashion (where it is dragged out, deliberately) rather than broach the issue, discuss it (move towards healing) then it is sulking imo, and it solves absolutely nothing. This would really worry me personally. Before getting involved with anyone (believe me I wish I'd taken this advice) too deeply, I'd be wanting to know if this kind of reaction was a one off, or a staying trait. After recent years, I've come to value positive conflict resolving skills rather highly and have wished more times than I care to remember, that I had been more discerning in the past.

And...**sighs**...I know this sounds cynical, but with so many people involved in one way or another as a permanent fixture or not, and with there already so many unsettled feelings, would it not be wiser for everyone to just slow down a bit? Enjoy and stabilise the existing relationships before starting anything new, or moving existing friendships to another level?

Disclaimer: I don't know any of the people involved, I'm a complete remote outsider...I can only say what comes to mind having read this, and I see a lot of red flags here. I could be wrong of course. A relationship expert I am not :) If it causes any offence to anyone, my apologies.

[identity profile] blanche-carte.livejournal.com 2007-09-06 08:27 am (UTC)(link)
Was really glad to read your third paragraph about sulking and the importance of communication. I'm another outsider to the circumstances D posted about. But what you wrote has helped re-inforce & crystallise some things I've realised very recently as a result of my own entirely separate date-then-friendship situation: that was messed up by communication failings on both sides and sulking on the other person's part.

Thanks :)

[identity profile] ninneviane.livejournal.com 2007-09-06 12:46 pm (UTC)(link)
You're very welcome :)

I must admit I used the term 'sulk' with some in trepidation - it's not a word people like - I guess I could equally have said it was passive aggressive response. I have kids though aside from anything else, so sulk is a word that comes to mind quite quickly - I encounter a LOT of it :)

Reactions like this are something that I have come to have a complete loathing for and they are certainly something that I've become very sensitive about from recent relationships. Whatever reason sparks that particular reaction - whether it's a fear of conflict, a lack of alternative (more positive) conflict resolving skills or as a deliberate manipulation tool, it doesn't matter as the outcome is the same - it delays resolution for both parties and it's not a very nice way to behave towards a person one cares about.

Sorry to hear you've had relationship difficulties of this nature - communication failings can be so very very stressful! You have my sympathy!

[identity profile] corchen.livejournal.com 2007-09-04 01:02 pm (UTC)(link)
For some reason, I hadn't realised we're birthday twins.

*hugs*

[identity profile] dennyd.livejournal.com 2007-09-04 07:22 pm (UTC)(link)
I think we did figure this out once before, but I'd forgotten too. Hope yours was pleasant!

[identity profile] hamsterine.livejournal.com 2007-09-04 03:42 pm (UTC)(link)
bleh to relationships when they don't go right. I'm sorry to hear it's at least partly ruined your birthday.

By the way, I hope you don't mind me adding you back to my friend's list. I recently noticed you weren't on it but I have no idea when or why I took you off!

[identity profile] dennyd.livejournal.com 2007-09-04 07:23 pm (UTC)(link)
People are free to add/remove me from their lists as they please - I don't take it personally :)

[identity profile] djlongfella.livejournal.com 2007-09-05 12:23 am (UTC)(link)
Happy birthday, yeah I know officially it's the day after, but I havn't slept yet so for me it's still your yesterday...

Really sorry to hear things have gone a bit wrong, must admit, I didn't want to pry, but was getting a little worried by your cryptic posts and was going to call, but as a previous " poster " said it was apparant you weren't ready to talk about it at the time.

Really hope things pick up...

[identity profile] skorpionuk.livejournal.com 2007-09-05 05:41 am (UTC)(link)
Much sympathy and hugs, as always. In no way does this detract from you being beautiful, and I'm glad to know you.

I'll see you soon.

[identity profile] robert-jones.livejournal.com 2007-09-05 10:26 pm (UTC)(link)
And strongly inclined to think that developments with S coming along at just the exact time and day that K was going off of me might have rather more to do with it than she's realised, or at least more than she's admitting to me.

I think you must be right about that. Without wishing to state the obvious (or to stick my oar where it's not wanted) polyamory is quite exotic for most people, and you say that K was dipping her toes in. The routine of ending one relationship in order to start another one has (for most people) a certain comforting familiarity, no?

[identity profile] kynetik.livejournal.com 2007-09-06 12:44 am (UTC)(link)
Awww Denny... That really sucks. I don't claim to know the ins and outs of poly relationships - but I can see you're upset, and that I can offer you a cyber hug *hug* <- here, and some sympathy. I don't know the full story, only what I've read here, but it seems like some erratic behaviour and I hope it all gets sorted out and that you're not too hurt by it! xxxx

[identity profile] blanche-carte.livejournal.com 2007-09-06 08:21 am (UTC)(link)
Hey,

Hope you're okayer now.
Had been getting a bit worried, seeing your Facebook updates about feeling sad, from someone who had been so very Zen before.
I really hope things get better and that everyone can sort this out as painlessly as possible.

Am outside the polything but can empathise somewhat... Over the last couple of months have been at various confusing communication impasses with someone I was briefly involved with, and then was friends with. Said person is now not speaking to me at all (yep, a self-confessed sulker). The situation sparked a bit of a depression which am now climbing out of.

*Hugs* and Ommmm. :)