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Saw this BBC article being discussed on #uk_goffs... I double-checked the numbers on TFL's site, because it was that unbelievable:
Mr Livingstone said a deal was reached more than a year ago to give station staff a 35-hour week and 52 days leave, adding that he was totally committed to implementing it.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4589822.stm

"This strike is completely unnecessary. This deal gives Tube station staff a 35-hour working week and 52 days' holiday a year."
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/press-centre/press-releases/press-releases-content.asp?prID=645

52 FUCKING DAYS???

Next time I see anything about a strike in a tube station, I'm going to deface it, I swear. Cheeky fuckers!

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Date: 2006-01-08 10:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] djlongfella.livejournal.com
Unbeleivable...a day off would be nice...

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Date: 2006-01-09 12:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_nicolai_/
Yeah. Bob Crow and his mates are taking the TfL, the Tube, and its passengers for a ride. I think it's high time he got told where to get off. Perhaps ignominously losing a strike, Scargill-style, might do it. I'd prefer if the collateral damage did not include "The Tube", though.

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Date: 2006-01-09 08:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stuartl.livejournal.com
I've a strong opinion that strikes should remain legal but have the implication that the participants volunteer themselves for redundancy. i.e. If someone else is willing and able to do the job for the existing working conditions and existing pay then striking to better your own conditions will only result in you being replaced.

Allowing strikes in their current form (i.e. where the strike participants are protected from dismissal by law) means that essentials can hold the country to ransom.

Where does the boundary between strikes and terrorism begin and end?

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Date: 2006-01-09 09:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_nicolai_/
Saying "strikers can be fired" can be quite hazardous (to the worker); back (decades ago) when working conditions were much worse, firing people who went on strike was common. If the only business in town, or the only place that uses your specialised skilled (like driving a Tube train) fires you, you're screwed, so you'll never complain. Down this road lies "right to work", in the style of most of the USA, and we don't want to go there.
I agree that essential workers can hold the country to ransom in the current state of affairs of being able to strike; any assumption that everyone will be reasonable is going to fail sooner or later, eg the Miners' Strike, and the current Tube strikes (and several before). I favour compulsory binding arbitration for disputes involving workers who operate infrastructure.
As to the boundary between strikes and terrorism, this is a fatuous comparison in this case: terrorism involves the use of violence, and threat of much greater violence. It's making people scared. Is anyone actually afraid of Bob Crow and his followers being violent? I don't think so. Even the NUM in the 1980s can't be described as terrorist, even if some of the did kill other (non-striking) miners such as the incident in which a concrete block was dropped onto a car from a bridge, killing the occupants.

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Date: 2006-01-09 09:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stuartl.livejournal.com
If I'm unhappy in my job because it's demanding too many hours or not paying enough it's my responsibility to find another job. If my class of job does not meet my expectations, or takes me away from my family for too long, or risks my health it's down to me to retrain and find an alternative.

It would be highly unethical for me to say "If you don't pay me more money I'm going to screw up the BGP peering in Telehouse and bring the UK Internet to a crawl" and yet that's what we seem to be saying is ok for tube drivers. Why should they be able to hold London to ransom just because they can't be bothered to retrain for another job?

I do agree that in the case of certain people (e.g. those approaching retirement) it would be virtually impossible to retrain as no one would employ them; however age discrimination law is supposed to be applied. This isn't the case for the majority of people, though.

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Date: 2006-01-14 12:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] world-of-skin.livejournal.com
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